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Wednesday, August 17, 2005

What's She talking about?


This is just bunk. Anyone saying otherwise is simply either anti-orthodox, a complete idiot, or completely disengenuous. You choose one.

At first glance you would think shes talking about Gush Katif.Right?wrong.

When it comes to Gush Katif she is so left she fell off.


Mom what gives?

If that doesn't get your panties in a buch read this shit .

-amshinover lives in amshinov plus or minus a week


  • At 8/17/2005 8:49 AM, Blogger Krum as a bagel said…

    I'm not sure what your'e problem is with that post. All it shows is that she's ambivalent. Where do you get "Seems so long as you agree with her you are right in her mind" from that post?

  • At 8/17/2005 8:52 AM, Blogger AMSHINOVER said…

    you see
    Anyone saying otherwise is simply either anti-orthodox, a complete idiot
    as ambivalent? and if you mean her gk post, read all of them not just the link(er)(yiddish joke;)).

  • At 8/17/2005 8:58 AM, Blogger Krum as a bagel said…

    "you see
    Anyone saying otherwise is simply either anti-orthodox, a complete idiot
    as ambivalent? "

    Huh? That line was from a post re Lawrence schools. All of her disengagement posts reflect ambivelance (one is even called "all mixed up"). Machlokes in pshat in Orthomom.

  • At 8/17/2005 9:08 AM, Blogger AMSHINOVER said…


  • At 8/17/2005 11:09 AM, Blogger Almost BT said…

    Maybe DovBear works for the PA?

  • At 8/17/2005 11:14 AM, Blogger Shragie said…

    Whoa. What a load mouth obsene extremist (I mean DB )

  • At 8/17/2005 12:06 PM, Blogger Shragie said…

    After further pondering the issue it occured to me that Ortho and DB have major issues to be worked out with their parents.

    What say you Amshi?

  • At 8/17/2005 1:01 PM, Blogger DovBear said…

    Can someone explain to me in polite words what was so objectional about my post? I am simply pointing out that the armchairs media critics are a bunch of hypocrites. Agree or disagree there's no reason to take it personal.

  • At 8/17/2005 1:19 PM, Blogger AMSHINOVER said…

    1 you pick the wrong day for it.
    2 you pickn the wrong paper on the wrong day
    3 you mildly compared it to jenin
    4 it was like someone giving a speech about the hague at yad veshem on tishabov

  • At 8/17/2005 1:37 PM, Blogger Shragie said…


    Your hypocricy regarding right wing Jews is not that atypical within the Jewish community. You poke fun - everyone laughs.

    This is different. These ideas cannot be the product of the grandson of Abraham and Sarah. Without quoting and making excuses - your callousness and lack of compassion is either

    a) a reflection of a disturbed soul with serious issues

    b) You were trying too hard to impress someone and you expressed ideas that you don't really think to be so.

    Either way it was awful

    Bmchilas Kivodchu


  • At 8/17/2005 5:50 PM, Blogger DovBear said…

    Shragie, WHY was it awful?

    I was criticizing the media critics. Not Israel. Not settlers. The media critics!

    And, it's like Jenin in that soldiers are removing people from their homes against their will. In no other way, but that way.

  • At 8/17/2005 7:57 PM, Blogger cosmo said…

    The Times wins again because what they r showing and want to portray is jew vs. jew. I don't think it's anymore complicated than that. Christmas came early for them. They got a nice little jew/jew conflict to keep them going for awhile.

    There is no question they r antisemitic. I would'nt even subject my dogs poop to that rag!!

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  • At 8/18/2005 6:30 AM, Blogger Shragie said…

    WHY is it AWFUL?

    Your statements ( not limited to) comparing of Jenin to Gaza is awful.

    a) I don’t recall 10,000 Arabs being expelled from their houses
    b) I don’t recall too any Israeli rockets fired on Arab villages from Gaza
    c) I don’t recall too many arab pregnant mothers with her 4 beautiful daughters getting murdered by Gazan Jews. (The few Jewish anomalies are just that - anomalies. Their actions were quickly condemned)
    d) I don’t recall the amount of Jews getting slaughtered by the sub-humans you stand up for
    e) I don’t recall Egypt winning their war which they started.

    I do recall God’s commandment to love my fellow Jew – no matter what his packaging- and to feel his pain and to perhaps scream as God does “Imo anochi btzara”. Ironically a bear (If that is your true name) is legendary for its compassion to its own kind.

  • At 8/18/2005 6:54 AM, Anonymous Cosmo said…

    To all you cowardly anonymouses pushing other websites or products:

    Be man or woman enough to state your name. Most of these topics are very serious and steeped with emotion. This is not a forum for you to pop in for a little advertising.

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  • At 8/18/2005 9:38 AM, Blogger DovBear said…

    Shragie, I agree with every word you wrote, and can't imagine why you think my post criticizing the people who criticize the Times would suggest otherwise.

    I think you have made a mistake.

  • At 8/18/2005 12:01 PM, Blogger Shragie said…


    True, you were merely criticizing the media critics. However, let’s analyze your post and you can understand the heated resentment.

    (I won’t address the fact that the NY Times has been berating Israel and with a special zest for the “settlers” which puts everything in a different perspective or the other many flaws of your argument – I did that before)

    If the “Palestinians” and Jews were of similar moral and ethical standings then the functions of the soldiers can also be similar. Therefore, the outrage against the NYT that is being meted out as a result of the Jews can or even should when it comes to arabs. This makes sense.

    If the morals and ethics of Jew and arab are dissimilar then the functions of the 2 soldiers would be very different. Although their actions and focus are the same their task is not; one soldier (hypothetical soldier expelling arab child) is to restrain all that stands in the way of good while the other is committing at best a necessary evil for the sake of good. Immoral governments and their constituents who commit hideous crimes should not be treated as the upright ones.

    Concern for some hypothetical child of the immoral group to the extent that it be on the same footing as that of the moral one is either illogical or immoral or both. All this while the wounds are still fresh - during one of the worst Jewish catastrophies of very recent times.

  • At 8/18/2005 12:11 PM, Blogger DovBear said…

    Oh so you're a rascist. Now I get it. Thanks for explaining.

    PS - You don't love Jews more than me. I just hate Arabs less than you do.

  • At 8/18/2005 12:45 PM, Blogger Shragie said…

    >Oh so you're a rascist.

    Generally, blanket name calling without explaining yourself is a mechanism when you can’t articulate yourself or can’t comprehend the other person or both.

    >Now I get it. Thanks for explaining.

    I guess I can figure out your age. Are you in my son’s class?

    >You don't love Jews more than me.

    If so, I am in trouble.

    >I just hate Arabs less than you do.

    Baseless statement.

  • At 8/18/2005 7:51 PM, Blogger DovBear said…

    If the “Palestinians” and Jews were of similar moral and ethical standings then the functions of the soldiers can also be similar.

    Assuming that Arabs are less moral than Jews is rascist. Putting Palestenian in quotes is rascist. The entire premise of your argument is rascism.

  • At 8/19/2005 6:18 AM, Blogger Shragie said…

    Racism – a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits....racial differences produce an inherent superiority etc. (Websters)

    Read slowly.

    The Jews in Israel are superior to the Arabs in a moral and ethical capacity not because of any inherent superiority, necessarily. It is their actions, behavior and general respect towards human life. I don’t need to cite any data, stories or vignettes to make this point. Although Mrs Hatuel with her 4 beautiful girls ob”m HY”D is a start.


    If racism is so bad why do you have so much animosity and loathing towards old style right winging observant Jews?

    Hypocrisy- a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not(Websters)

  • At 8/19/2005 11:10 AM, Anonymous mestro said…

    Shragi and dovbear, GET A ROOM.
    you guys sound like youve been married for years.


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