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Tuesday, September 20, 2005

Reform rabbi petitions High Court for official post

A Reform rabbi from Kibbutz Gezer has petitioned the High Court, demanding that the State of Israel admit Reform rabbis into the official Rabbinate and treat them as equals with Orthodox rabbis.

Gold contends that Israel practices a form of religious discrimination by not accepting Reform rabbis into the Rabbinate. “The Jewish liberal public is blatantly discriminated against....




  • At 9/20/2005 11:24 AM, Blogger AMSHINOVER said…

    it is true The Jewish liberal public, the arabs , the christians, the not right wing enough the not left wing enough , are blatantly discriminated against in israel.i really feel israel is NOT a democracy.

    No 1\4 given

  • At 9/20/2005 12:40 PM, Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said…

    i personally feel that the Rabanut having a monopoly on weddings in Israel just causes more hatred of religion. If Israel just had a simple law that anyone who gets married must, if they get divorced, divorce under the same system in which they married, i think it might be better. Then there wouldn't be as much worrying about mamzeirim from improper divorces, because whoever didn't have a halakhic marriage wouldn't be (duh) halakhicly married in the first place, so they wouldn't need a get.

    Of course, this could constitute a de-Jewafying of Israel, which if it went too far would leave us with you know what...

  • At 9/20/2005 12:57 PM, Blogger Shragie said…


    Your idea of no mamzerim with the proposed de-monopolization can only work with 2 premises.

    A) All people who don’t care about authentic divorce don’t care about authentic marriage.

    B) Authentic marriage is as complicated as divorce.

    Premise A) is difficult because it can go either way.

    Premise B) is not so. Getting married is a simple process that does not require any real rabbinic intervention. Getting divorced with the whole get thing is complicated.

    As far as de-Jewafying of Israel; you would be 100% correct. The term Israeli bastard would have a whole new meaning ;)

  • At 9/20/2005 1:38 PM, Blogger RuchniGashmi said…

    All of these pictures of women on your blog, sheesh what happened to Tznius? As long you didn't check out my blog lol. As far as she goes, let her go for a Bris, even if it is female circumsicion in the recesses of Africa, and then let her complain. Truth be told guys, SHE would look good in a beard!
    Interested in reading a different perspective on Rosh Hashana?

  • At 9/20/2005 1:42 PM, Blogger Shragie said…



  • At 9/20/2005 3:37 PM, Blogger thanbo said…

    I think the Reformative should have a policy of Austritt. Set themselves up a s a separate religion, like the Muslims or the Druzim. Then they can get Gov't money independent of the religious councils.

  • At 9/20/2005 4:50 PM, Anonymous chortkover said…

    Mayby Sharon should give them a piece of land too!

  • At 9/20/2005 5:55 PM, Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said…

    Who was it who claimed that all non-Orthodox weddings lack kosher ‘eidim, and therefore are automatically don't "catch"? (And therefore, the couple doesn't need a get, and if they remarry their children don't have to worry about being mamzeirim)

  • At 9/21/2005 6:48 AM, Blogger AMSHINOVER said…

    rav mosha

  • At 9/21/2005 6:49 AM, Blogger Shragie said…

    Good morning all,


    Great point. Only that Austritt would be the exact opposite. Wasn’t Austritt the policy set forth by Hirsch for Orthodox Jewry to secede from all non traditional organized forms of Judaism - the opposite of this movement. I totally agree with you that if they were to seced as a separate entity they would be granted funds. The only thing they wouldn’t receive is membership.


    No. They would not get any land. The reformed do not deserve it. They have yet to murder thousands of Jews.


    I don’t know if witnesses are crucial to a marriage to the point that it would not be valid. Howevr, at most weddings there are at least 2 kosher eidem – whether are not they are assigned.

  • At 9/21/2005 6:25 PM, Anonymous chortkover said…


    ZING! Nicely done

  • At 9/22/2005 7:55 AM, Blogger Shragie said…

    Thanks Chortkover

  • At 9/22/2005 7:55 AM, Blogger Shragie said…

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  • At 9/22/2005 4:13 PM, Blogger Mar Gavriel said…

    Rav Henkin certainly believed in the concept of אנן סהדי: any time people live together with the intention of being husband and wife (as opposed to פילגשות), "we are witnesses" that the woman is mequddesheth to the man by means of ביאה.

    Steg: How do you define "non-Orthodox weddings"? Would a halakhic Conservative wedding count? What if the Rabbi is Conservative, but the witnesses are Orthodox?


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