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Thursday, September 08, 2005

Ovadia Yosef: Katrina is God's punishment for disengagement

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef,

the leading spiritual mentor of Sephardi Jewry, told an audience in Jerusalem Tuesday that Katrina was US President George Bush's punishment for supporting the pullout from Gaza and northern Samaria.
"He [Bush] brought about the expulsion [from Gaza], now he has his own expulsion," said Yosef. click here


-Shragie: if you have nothing nice to say, become a liberal and disguise it as being for the sake of civil rights and it will become nice


  • At 9/08/2005 7:54 AM, Blogger AMSHINOVER said…

    please this is silly.if there is divine retribution then why don't all the germans have testicular cancer?

  • At 9/08/2005 8:02 AM, Blogger Shragie said…

    Look, I agree that it is extremely difficult to swallow - I know I can't. There are many setbacks with this whole rationale. On the other hand, you can't simply discount it with full conviction as being totally nonsense.

    As far as the German cancer thing - that's the best you can come up with?

  • At 9/08/2005 8:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    To Shragie:

    I have just read the comments attributed to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef.

    He seems to be a person that is disturbed, not to mention that the facts are wrong.

    Every article or book that I read concerning religion has strengthened my resolve to become an Agnostic & hope that organized religion has begun its long overdue downfall.


  • At 9/08/2005 8:31 AM, Blogger Shragie said…


    I don't know you and you don't know me. We probably know a plethora of disturbed people. We probably both don't know rabbi Yosef. I, however, know that he is a rightfully respected individual who is far from being disturbed. Now, I may disagree with him but I can't discount him as being nuts.

  • At 9/08/2005 8:31 AM, Blogger AMSHINOVER said…

    gary are you satmer?

  • At 9/08/2005 8:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    To Shragie:

    I did not say that he was "nuts". Disturbed has an entirely different connation.

    To Amshinover: White Power!


  • At 9/08/2005 9:30 AM, Blogger Shragie said…

    To Gary,

    Nuts or Disturbed - Semantics. My point is not to chastise you for degrading Rabbi Yosef. My point is that you cannot simply brush him aside as being disturbed because you disagree with him. White Power? Now thats nuts.

    As far as you going agnostic. That’s too simple. There are other tracts – or issues that must be treked. Did God create the world? If He did does He intervene? Whatever the answers may be how does it fit with major catastrophes such as Katrina?

    To Amshi,

    Lets do some stuff on Nihilism, pantheism, Nietzsche etc. It would be very interesting. The timing is perfect.


  • At 9/08/2005 9:52 AM, Anonymous cosmo said…

    I think people are just getting in touch with their "spiritual" side this time of year, " 'tis the season". They are trying to say that G-d is sending us a message and that we should reflect on ourselves. Not necessarily a retribution for the disengagement. (although the parrallels are eerie).

  • At 9/08/2005 10:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    To Shragie:

    1. Nuts or disturbed is NOT semantics. It is a specific definition of a word.

    2. Why would becoming an Agnostic be too simple? Agnostics believe in a supreme being (whichever name you choose), just not the divine revelation or divine intervention which has come down to people through books written by PEOPLE.

    Please do not launch into a diatribe about Emunah. Trust has given the world racism, hatred, war, pestilence and all the other "Good" things.

    3. How does it fit with major catastrophes: My answer is it does not.


  • At 9/08/2005 11:28 AM, Blogger Shragie said…


    1. You used “disturbed” to discount Rabbi Yosef’s opinion without challenging his content. (I believe this is name calling.)

    2a. Agnosticism does not allow for the necessity of the bond between all global occurrences with God (whoever He may be). God, a metaphysical entity, is extraneous to all human affairs. Therefore, Kristina may have or may not have been created by God.

    Employing Agnostics to explain the world is simple, too simple. Specifically relating to Katrina, God may have been involved or may not have been involved is not enough. In general, Agnostics is a topic that cannot be contained in the comments section of Amshinover place. As I mentioned to Amshi, we should dedicate some time to these issues.

    2b. The Torah was not written by man.

    3. Diatribe about Emunah? What are you smoking and please do share it with the rest of us. Now, Emunah and Agnostics –Interesting conversation.


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