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Thursday, September 29, 2005

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Gay Yeshiva Hits The Road for Elul

The average yeshiva student doesn't ask questions of a rebbe wearing wings and holding a wand, but the self-proclaimed "fairies" at SVARA (A queer yeshiva dedicated to the serious study of Talmud) aren't meant to be your average rebbes, and the students are there specifically because they don't think they fit in at other yeshivas.

SVARA -- -a yeshiva for gays and lesbians currently on a cross-country road trip for the month of Elul -- is led by Rabbi Benay Lappe… she said, "I had to be in the closet because then as now JTS did not accept openly queer people." The wings and wand are worn during workshop sessions as an expression of gay and lesbian identity….

While gay Jewish groups have proliferated in recent years, SVARA is believed to be the only one promoting Jewish learning…

"I think that we're in a time when we really need to reconsider what we consider an 'aveirah,' " or sin, he said, "and there are many perspectives from which we need to do that. The queer perspective is only one of them."…

"The presentation of the text is really no different -- what's different is what happens in shiur, when the students begin to integrate the text themselves," Lappe said. "SVARA recognizes queer Jews as absolutely essential."

Yo, I got no comment.




  • At 9/29/2005 1:12 PM, Blogger RuchniGashmi said…

  • At 9/29/2005 1:13 PM, Anonymous Malkiel A. K. said…

    Is this telz?

  • At 9/29/2005 1:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…


    Which wrestler is you? Right or left?

  • At 9/29/2005 1:42 PM, Blogger AMSHINOVER said…

    when they tovel who's shertez is in who's yad?

  • At 9/29/2005 2:01 PM, Blogger Shragie said…


    Gay in dred

  • At 9/29/2005 5:48 PM, Anonymous GROOVY said…



  • At 9/30/2005 5:37 AM, Anonymous Malkilel A. K said…


    Ouch? Was it your sheretz?

  • At 9/30/2005 9:59 AM, Anonymous BrooklynBloggerBabe said…

    This concept about "frum gays" has been addressed in the Jewish Press since Pesach, and has really gotten to be a bit redundant. This is my take on it - Frum people are like regular people out there, we do the same things, go to the same places, drive the same cars, etc. We are not sheltered and don't live underneath rocks. Just as we all develop feelings for the opposite sex, there are those who "love" the same sex. It is not a goishe thing to do- frum people, good people, can develop these feelings. I don't think going away to Yeshivas all your life and going to sleepaway camps over the summer helps the issue at all.
    I don't really inderstand the concept of having a frum yeshiva for people to learn in, nor would I support such a thing. I am not a shrink, but I don't think that these feelings can be controlled. Supressed - yes, but once you start having these thoughts, then realize this, it's not something that can all of a sudden go away.
    What's up with these Rabbis telling guys "Get married and it will go away?" Get real. Rabbis just don't want to have to address this issue because they have no background to do so. However, there are frum professionals and some Rabbis who are knowledgeable in this area and can give proper guidance to those who need it.

  • At 10/01/2005 7:31 PM, Blogger AMSHINOVER said…

    "Get married and it will go away?"
    marriage only magnifies problems.

  • At 10/03/2005 7:16 AM, Blogger Shragie said…


    I think you just implied that marriage has increade your gay problems

  • At 10/06/2005 9:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I don't understand .......I saw the trailer for "Trembling Before G-d" and it quotes Rabbi Greenberg as saying he wants Talmudic scholars to knock their heads together (my re-phrasing of his words) and interperet the Torah in a way that legitimizes his lifestyle......
    WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?????????
    Maybe we should find out how it is 'muttar' to shoot mother-in-laws while they are at it????

  • At 10/06/2005 10:50 AM, Anonymous BrooklynBloggerBabe said…

    If you were my husband, I'd shoot you! Don't talk that way about my mother. She makes a very good Brocoli Kugel.......

  • At 10/06/2005 1:37 PM, Blogger Shragie said…

    I kind of feel bad for Greenberg. If he’s sincere he wants to keep every part of the Torah – he even wants homosexuality to be permitted.


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